Full Season Basketball Replays (2024)

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From:bkchiefsfan6/22/22 10:17 PM
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I am on the verge of completing my third full season NBA replay. The first one a 72-73 NBA replay using the original strat-o-matic basketball game. It was not a popular game as it was revised the following year and overhauled to its present form seven years later. However I could play full games with stats in 32 minutes which made the 741 game replay including playoffs possible. Replay two was 71-72 NBA with Regular Season Basketball which is a pseudo quick play game breaking game play into 16 three minute segments. I kept only points, rebounds and assist and games with stats compiling took 15 minutes. The third replay is 61-62 NBA with Regular Season basketball keeping points, rebounds and assists. Here are my various thoughts about basketball games and full season replays:

1) I prefer play by play games and would play dice and cards play by play for baseball and football. I have replayed 34 full season football replays, but SOM football games take me only 40 minutes and stats for football are easy. Baseball is made for tabletop and many games play under 30 minutes. A baseball replay is daunting compared to football

2) While basketball is a thrilling sport, it is monotonous on table top. There is no 80 yard touchdown pass or three run homer.

3) Basketball games take time. I do not like games that play over one hour. I lose flow. I do not know any full play tabletop basketball game that plays in under an hour. I recently acquired Hoops basketball. A very good game engine, but after playing a few games I realize that i will never play comfortably in under an hour. No knock on Hoops, that is just the way it is with basketball cards and dice

4) There are a lot of stats to record in a basketball game. It can turn into drudgery. Substituting is a pain.

My conclusions are:

1) If you want to play a full season cards and dice NBA season I recommend Regular Season basketball. It is a tradeoff between semi-quick play and play by play, but it makes a replay doable. A game with full stats will take 30 minutes. I use an excel program designed for Regular Season basketball to record each game's stats.

2) If you are set on a play by play full NBA replay, buy a computer game. SOM and hoops appear to be good choices. I am sure there are others.

3) Unlike football and baseball, a full NBA replay is not necessary. Stats and standing will largely settle by 30 games.

  • EditedJune 22, 2022 10:20 pm by bkchiefsfan

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From:RogueBorg16/22/22 10:30 PM
To:bkchiefsfan (2 of 22)
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I agree with everything you said. I'm currently doing a 1992-1993 NBA replay using an Excel program. Games take me about 45 minutes, stats another 5, and then posting results here another 10, right at one hour. Doing the math I don't think I will ever finish this thing. At this point it's become about the journey, just enjoying one of my favorite eras and all the players, good and bad. Regarding stats, you're right again, a computer will compile all stats, I can't imagine doing this by hand, it would be a nightmare and take forever.

Dave

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From:SimCentralYT6/23/22 6:43 AM
To:bkchiefsfan (3 of 22)
48625.3in reply to48625.1

Another game that makes full replay more enjoyable would be Highlight Maker Hoops. It captures the flow of basketball pretty well while still taking just 15-20minutes. Some statscan be generated which takes an additional five minutes. It also makes substitutions effortless.

From:jmludwig506/23/22 9:01 AM
To:bkchiefsfan (4 of 22)
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Ihave just started playing a lot of Replay basketball and have really been enjoying that. I was hesitant to play a full play basketball game at first for the time requirement you stated but I had also tried Regular Season basketball once upon a time but switched games since it just generates stats with no input from the gamer.

PC games are a great way to cut down on the bookkeeping for basketball statistics. Replay Basketball PC is very easy to use and a straight translation of the tabletop game, Hoops PC is similar in that regard. Strat-o-matic, as they usually do, does some additional work under the hood with their PC game so it's not a direct version of the tabletop game. I was going to use Strat-o-matic as my game of choice but I really struggled with a solitaire way to choose shot type, which Hoops figures out for you.

Basketball doesn't have the big exciting single play, but watching the ebb and flow of a game has been very exciting. Seeing a team claw back from a large deficit and hit a timely shot is a lot of fun.

Unfortunately with basketball games, game of preference may come down to available seasons as some games lean into the retro seasons and not so much recent seasons or vice versa. There has also been a spirited discourse on the Hoops delphi about number of players per team and gamers' preferences for that. For a full season replay or project, I would assume most would prefer more players carded; Strat at least has an electronic card for all players.

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From:merchiu6/23/22 9:39 AM
To:bkchiefsfan (5 of 22)
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Regular Season Basketball born for these reasons, that are your concerns.

I was playing a lot Statis-Pro base-8 (a game I really love) but two hours (maybe more) was normal. You have to pre-compile the scoresheet at the beginning, decide who's in the game and who's not, decide the starting five, decide matchups, manage rest and stamina and, last but not least, when you are in a garbage time situation the game seems to never come to an end. And that is how every tabletop basketball game, based on possession by possession engine, works.

All the above is avoided with RSB and the game can be truly played in 30 minutes with full stats and maybe less if you keep Poins-Rebounds-Assist only.

Teams are in one chart, so draft league are not possible, also no decisions to take, just watch the game as spectator. But at the end the feel of basketball is kept and you don't have to use your whole life to do a replay. And for stats lovers (like me) all the numbers are available, also minutes played by each player if you want.

Marco

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From:DTroppens846/23/22 10:38 AM
To:bkchiefsfan (6 of 22)
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I have always wanted to play more play-by-play basketball games (hockey and football as well) my entire life. I have played baseball games since I was 10 (Statis-Pro) and I also purchased Statis-Pro Basketball and Statis-Pro Football not long after getting baseball because I wanted to play all of the major four sports. I eventually purchased Strat Hockey as well (for some reason, I don't ever remember seeing a Statis-Pro Hockey game back in the day, or I would've tried that game). With those other three sports, it's always been impossible for me to get beyond a handful of games. I liked Statis-Pro Basketball, but with four quarters, substitutions and all that is involved in a basketball game it just took too darned long to play. The same was true for football and hockey. I don't think these issues are the fault of any play-by-play game created for these sports. It's just how those sports are played and trying to make a play-by-play game that doesn't allow for detailed stat keeping, substitutions, power plays and all that crazy stuff wouldn't be those sports without them. So I've been stuck in limbo land, usually buying a new game and playing a few games. Each, I always thought they were well designed, but it was the nature of the actual sport itself that kept me from really playing more than 20 games with any of these board games. So, what did I do - went back to baseball. And eventually started playing a decent amount of soccer as well. While soccer games do take time to play in a play-by-play format, there are very few subs so at the very least the flow works well. I've been able to get myself to play plenty of soccer (the second best major sport to play on tabletop after baseball/softball in my opinion).

The last five years (especially since the pandemic), I've been more serious about finding games for those sports, particularly basketball. And I've wondered if I should dabble into games like Regular Season Basketball or Plaay's new game to check out the in-between just a score generator games versus the flushed out play-by-play games. I've been hesitant, but one of these days I think I'm going to break down. Plaay has a history of creating solid games "in the middle" with their fans, so I think basketball is the one I may give it a shot with.

I saw the conclusion for a play-by-play guy was a computer game. I can't do that. I spend way too much time on computers as it is. I did try that with SAT and while I enjoyed it and enjoyed making decisions for a bit, I found myself just not wanting to be at a computer and found myself feeling like it was just a clickfest (even though I had to make decisions). I also had an APBA floppy disc baseball game (think the Miller company created them or something like that). I played those for a bit but it didn't last. I don't think I'll ever get beyond that feeling with a computer game. Sometimes I wish I found computer games, or my first card and dice sports game was basketball or hockey. That way my first experiences would've been games that took 90 minutes or more and I would've known no better than to love it. But, instead, my first games were baseball games that took 20 to 30 minutes to play a game. It soured the chances of me enjoying other sports I fear. The same with computers. Maybe if my first games were computers, I'd enjoy them more because that would've been my first experience. Unfortunately, they weren't.

I am playing Pro Tables Games NBA Basketball right now (well, played eight games and now am playing a baseball replay again), and this was the closest thing I have come to that feels like a "faster play" play-by-play style game. Unfortunately, the game stopped making sets in the very early 80s I think, and all I have are 1970s sets. The cool thing is I am learning about another era of NBA basketball I knew nothing about prior to playing the games. I'm more committed than ever to getting myself to play these games because I'm 53 - if I don't do it soon, I never will.

I'm also learning I need to forego my ideas of actual substitution patterns and foul trouble issues. I'm now to a point where I'm not making any real substitutions until about four minutes into the second quarter. I don't care if a starter has three or four fouls during that time. I just keep them in and hope for the best later. And I really keep the substitutions rigid - 8 minutes left in the first half, four left in the half. And in the third quarter at the six-minute mark and maybe subs at the six-minute and two-minute portions (get those starters in for the end) of the fourth quarter. That has created more success and better flow. But, am I getting the true real experience of actual substitutions, and is maybe what I'm doing altering what teams were like during actual seasons? Maybe.

- One thought about your point #2 - Never thought about that. You are right. There is no crazy play in basketball like there can be football, or baseball. Even the idea of a power play in hockey can create emotion. Meanwhile, basketball is plodding at 1, 2 or 3 points at a time. Without the actual play-by-play narrative of a 15-2 run or "Wilt has collected the last 10 rebounds" you don't get those great moments. It's a more "over time" thing with basketball for the true highlights (minus maybe a tight game in the final minutes).

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From:susquatch6/23/22 11:20 AM
To:bkchiefsfan (7 of 22)
48625.7in reply to48625.1

Thanks for the insight. I have replay and Statis pro basketball

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From:nickvari6/23/22 11:35 AM
To:merchiu (8 of 22)
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I thought I was the only one who took 90-120 minutes for a game of base-8.

I love the game, but I really need to be in the mood for hoops to break out any of the full-play games (Hoops, Base-8, Replay and CCB are the ones I play, and I like all of them, but could never do anything close to a full-season).

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From:32koufax6/23/22 12:07 PM
To:jmludwig50 (9 of 22)
48625.9in reply to48625.4

What's great about the Replay PC version, is that you can also roll your own dice. I'll often roll for the '66-67 Sixers and use the computer dice for other teams. What is nice about both Replay hoops and baseball, unlike Strat, is that you don't have to let the program know your intention. If I only want to roll my dice for Wilt and let the computer roll for everyone else, it is doable and easy.

Jack

  • EditedJune 23, 2022 12:14 pm by 32koufax

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From:RogueBorg16/23/22 2:15 PM
To:DTroppens84 (10 of 22)
48625.10in reply to48625.6

Basketball's "big play" is the game winning buzzer beater which is exciting as can be but just doesn't happen enough. I did have one the other night, they are crazy fun.

Dave

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